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Lorath shot me an email and want you to check these threads out:
Youngbloods compilation of paladin tanking itemization problems is truly Legendary, it almost gave me shivers to see a Blue acknowledging the work and promising to pass it on to the devs.
Gribbles summary of the tanking classes relative weaknesses is nothing short of perfect aswell. No Blue yet but one can hope. Being a EU realm player I can only praise them from abroad :)
Rheyah ponders the 'pala dps too high! zomgnerfit' situation, and offersa fix... very nice + Blue attention.Good reads!
posted by Mastgrr at 8:33:00 PM
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Thanks for adding the links M, I forgot to send this one tho; it's a newly started forum called Maintankadin, and it has lots of nice info like pre-raid tank gear, boss tips for the aspiring paladin, training tips and much more. Very promising indeed! :)
http://maintankadin.failsafedesign.com/index.php
Those are some fantastic posts!
Glad to see Retribution has blue attention. Though the Europe boards always seem to get more attention anyway.
It might be due to that the Euro blues have less duties. The CMs in the US write a lot of stuff for the website and do a lot of stuff behind-the-scenes. The blues in Europe I don't think really craft content like that.
I'm not sure this would be the best fix, but any fix should address that crusader strike and JoC should scale with melee stats, not +spell damage.
Crusader Strike and JoC should scale with melee stats rather than spell damage. Or rather just JoC, most holy spec players use their high + spell dmg to take advantage of JoC to hit for higher dmg.
Anyway on the side note, is it just me or is it so:
The EU paladin forums provide more 'discussion' and 'positive' threads to brining the paladin-class to a better lvl? (esp Ret and Prot) Cuz I seem to notice these dun take place 'much' on the US forums, where most ppl just come in to criticise or whatever.
Read the post by Rheyah, and I would say 2 thumbs up!
Only thing I would like to point out is that Youngblood guy forgets one of the most important aspects of a paladin Tank.
WE CAN HEAL OURSELVES
1) if we're getting hit hard it helps keep us alive
2) it builds threat, which helps us hold aggro to tank
3) we can heal ourselves!!!!
To the Above....
Guess what...
When you're healing you loose block & parry.
Solo ofc you can but otherwise please don't let the door hit you on the way out
I don't believe you're correct there sir. I've saved my ass multiple times healing myself while taking a tremendous amount of damage.
For the sake of argument I will be trying that out when I get home.
However it's worth mentioning that most Big hitters swing slow enough that an immediate flash of light and in most cases a quick HOly light can be used before the Mob hits you again.
Thanks for your input though
A main tanking Paladin should never have to heal himself if the groups' healers are doing their job properly. You simply lose too much mitigation and leave yourself open to CB's under circumstances where they should be avoidable. Lag and other unforeseen problems make a Paladin tank healing him/herself unwise at best. There are be some niche fights where paladins can OT and heal at the same time, but these are the exception rather than the norm.
Additionally, not all tanking Paladins have the benefit of Spiritual Focus, which means that their casting can be interrupted through damage. Further, encouraging the meme that Paladin Tanks can self-heal give an excuse for all those Druids and Shaman (because we know that Priests won't be healing ;) ) to slack off when teamed with them. 'It's okay, the can heal themselves' is not how we want healers to approach the task.
What I am saying here is that although Paladin can heal themselves, bringing any self-healing bar LoH into a comparative discussion about the three tanking classes doesn't hold a great deal of weight. It's like saying druids can self-heal whilst tanking: technically true but rife with risk and largely self-defeating.
Except in niche fights.
I would suggest that no serious Tank will pass up deflection...
So it is unlikely that you will have spiritual focus.
And this "Youngblood guy" agrees with the above posters when they say that a it is not the role of the protection paladin to heal while tanking.
A main tank does not have the time, nor the gear, nor the luxury of losing all that mitigation, to stand healing... interrupted... hea... interrupted.... heali... interrupted... healed. Besides, due to the automatic and build in threat reduction to all paladin healing spells, healing is really lousy to gain aggro with.
And spiritual focus isn't available to a main tank either, since main tanking paladins need Deflection.
Lastly, no, I didn't forget it either. I mentioned healing in my thread on the forums. But thank you for your thoughts and input.
If you have more ideas on the subject, please share them. I am still learning about tanking, and it takes a long time to master the necessary skills involved.
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