05 December, 2006

What I Love, and the Quest for Perfection

I am so giddy! The patch is slated to come out tomorrow! I haven't been this excited about a patch before since...ever. Tonight in my guild's Vent we spent a lot of time just talking about talents, about the Pally class and what just the 2.0 patch brings overall (stacking HoTs! 40 debuff slots! ZOMG!).

One of my favorite things in World of Warcraft is talking about talent builds. Sharing talent builds is such an extraordinary process that I find a lot of joy in. How someone spent their talent points is a reflection upon that person's persona in so many aspects.

Depending on where the talents are you can tell so many things: if they want to go healing or tanking or DPS, if they raid or if they PVP, if they know the class very well, if they know the synergy of the trees or if they know the power and weakness of specific talents, or perhaps even if they simply are experimental and make you go "damn, I've never thought about that before!". It makes you able to draw general assumptions and kind of go through their character and in to the player's mind.

Personally, I love it. You know why this is so fun? Because there truly is ever no "wrong" build. There certainly are ones that are unanimously can be considered weaker or stronger than others - but still, if you analyze what that person was thinking you might go "Oh yeah, that's right". Finding the perfect build that suits your needs to the max is a constant struggle and process. We all are individuals with different goals and needs, and that's why there can't be a perfect build that fits everyone. Not only because this game is so dynamic in the sense of where and how we use are characters, but because what we do and what philosophy we have might change over time.

So, that is what I thought about tonight as we were talking. One of the guys who is a really great fellow (you just know when he's talking that he's a sweet guy) shared with us his planned build for his Pally. He would probably considered to be a relatively casual player (my guild encompasses all different kind of people). And tonight he told us to check his planned build out. So after looking at it, me and a Sulfuras Pally were in a bit of awe at how he could spend the points in the way he did. The Sulfuras Pally tried to be as constructive and as in a compassionate way possible convene the message that maybe he could redirect his some of his points elsewhere to make complete it and make it more well-rounded.

As we were going through we kind of realized that, despite the fact that what we thought looked like a pretty bad build, was something that was he was perfectly striving for with his character. We let him reason with us and he gave us his arguments. For example he had picked Improved Seal of Righteousness plus Seal of Command. An experienced player would probably consider that to be a bad move as most of the time you always end up using one specific Seal any way, plus that SoR kinda stinks in its current conception. But he reasoned with us that he wanted to improve SoR so he got get a more constant stream of Holy damage to make better use of Improved Righteous Fury to aid his tanking, whereas he went up to pick SoC so he could use that Seal when he feels like DPS:ing. I mean, here's a guy who wants to be able to tank, heal and do DPS when he wants to - so he specs for it.

Argue against it all you want, but he's not wrong: Imp SoR will aid his tanking and SoC will aid his DPS. He got what he wanted. Is it optimal for what he wants to do? Arguably not. Are the other solutions? Definitely. But to him it made perfect sense because it suits his needs. When it comes to the point where he feels it doesn't, he'll learn from it, respec, and construct a build that's more fluid to his developing playstyle.

So in conclusion: where we spend our points reflects who we are what we want. All of us think differently and have different goals and objectives. What I learned from this experience tonight was that there are people out there who play the Paladin in such a different way from me. When that guy looked at the Pally talent tree he didn't go like I do and ask myself "should I tank, heal or DPS?". He went "I want to do a little bit of this and a little bit of that!". I ended up giving him some tips and as a suggestion to him made my own tri-spec build, which was fun to create.

Now it's way late at night and I'm dirt-tired. I've slept only seven hours in the last three days. Can't wait to wake up tomorrow and try out the new patch.


Anonymous Xgelis said...


Well same here, I just hope I can stay as myself till my classes end tomorrow, and then get home and rush straight into wow 2.0.

About the talent specs... making many minor changes to as to where the 1st 51pts should go.... have to say it though... it's tough.

8:45 AM  
Blogger Lord Vir said...

I'm the same way, I like talking about talents. You are right, no talent build is really "wrong". I did however run into a hemo dagger rogue the other day, which is as close to wrong as you can get. ;)

12:38 PM  
Anonymous Suicidal Zebra said...

So, any word on the talent trees we get, i.e. CS Cooldown, Veng %, Imp RF giving damage reduction etc? Us poor sods in euroland have to wait another day before we strike faces and I want to be prepared ;).

2:15 PM  
Anonymous Xgelis said...

Well, I finally figured out my last 2 points to go where.

As for 'sucidal zebra' 's comment, I've heards stuff abt those issues remaining the same, prolly until when xpac is out, then it's reduced.

Btw, was on the ptr earlier and saw 2 paladins from my guild Crusader Strike FTW
1 was with a TF another with the C.Ashbringer.

sorry if i post twice due to some error, pls delete 1 if it is.

3:21 PM  
Blogger Vaelin said...

Ah, the quest for perfection. What would this look like in the Paladin class? Crusader Strike with a 6 second cooldown. The removal of the Forbearance debuff. Itemization with both melee crit and spell damage. A HoT element in the Holy tree. Attack Power boosted by Int as well as Str. Armor sets that didn't originate on Queer Eye.

Questing for said perfection is futile.

That being said, my game and mods are updated, decursive deleted (sob!), and I'm ready to log on and tweak my spec. The state of CS/Vengeance will determine whether I go Ret or Prot. It's all on Blizzard's end now.

5:35 PM  
Blogger L'Emmerdeur said...

Funny comments on our guild forums:

"XXX wrote ...

BTW, it required 3.8GB of disk space for it to install the patch"

"YYY wrote...

The other 3.3 Gb are the paladin nerfs."

8:14 PM  
Blogger Mastgrr said...

To be frank...I feel like crap when thinking about Warriors this patch. They totally got screwed.

9:10 PM  
Anonymous Suicidal Zebra said...

Gotta agree Mastgrr. I'm not sure what hurts the most or Arenas not allowing abilities with >15mins cooldown.

Certainly, not a good day to be a warrior I warrant.

9:26 PM  
Anonymous Jade said...

Every dog has his day, warriors have had theirs, does it suck for them? Yeah, but when's the last time you heard a warrior say man it really sucks to be a paladin in this patch?

11:03 PM  
Anonymous mchammar said...

Warriors have been oscillating between underpowered and overpowered since the first WoW beta. They just scale with gear much better than other classes, so every so often they get a rage generation or burst damage nerf, complain bitterly for a while, lose a few fights, and then within a few months they're overpowered again.

Remember Indalamar's video from the WoW beta? Warriors got nerfed after that. They've had their rage generation cut a few times since then. Ultimately though, they're still able to catch up via gear (like, 120 dps weapons?), and that's what they'll do.

1:23 AM  
Anonymous Xgelis said...

So is CS 6sec cd and Vengeance 15% still?
I'm still stuck in school for at least another 6hours from now.

Would appreciate a quick answer to this. :)

4:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just becuase there are no "wrong" builds doesnt mean there arnt any BAD ones. Or ones that wont do more damage in a certain playstyle or PvP vs PvE. Don't fool yourself into thinking otherwise.

4:38 AM  
Blogger Mastgrr said...

Anonymous, please consider to read the entire thing.

4:45 AM  
Anonymous Xgelis said...

Does anyone know how to use the script:

SetBindingSpell("KEY", "Spell Name") - sets a spell directly to a key binding.

For example I like to set Blessing of Might rank7 to ALT-1. How do I type it properly inside the script?

* The script uses the same spell name syntax as /cast.

9:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

for heal/tank/dps, i'd spec http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=aVxhbxZV0xhxZVbxz

1:41 AM  

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