24 December, 2006

The Ultimate Sigh, With Caps!

You suck ass playing the Paladin if...

...you don't use Divine Shield when you're about to die and it's not on the cooldown. USE IT, DON'T EXPECT HEALS BECAUSE PLENTY OF HEALERS EXPECT YOU TO KNOW HOW TO PLAY YOUR CLASS AND SHIELD WHEN YOU ARE ABOUT TO DIE. USE YOUR EFFIN TRADEMARKED ABILITY. If you're at red and you don't shield you shouldn't come asking me in a private tell for a rez when I'm on my Druid.

...you don't Blessing of Protect cloth when they're being pounded on. You hardly use Blessing of Protection anyway! USE IT ON THE CLOTH WHEN THEY NEED IT THE MOST! SPAM IT AND MAKE SURE IT'S ON THE COOLDOWN AT ALL TIMES. IF YOU HAVE GUARDIAN'S FAVOR FEEL THE URGE TO BE TRIGGER HAPPY.

...you are CC'd by a Frost Nova and just stand there. WHAT THE HELL! YOU HAVE CLEANSE AND YOU HAVE BLESSING OF FREEDOM. WE ARE NEXT TO DRUIDS THE CLASS THAT HAS THE EASIEST TIME DISPELLING SNARES. DON'T JUST STAND THERE YOU MORON!

...you are in melee range or melee DPS and don't throw up Judgement of Wisdom, Judgement of Light or Judgement of Sanctified Crusader. IF YOU'RE IN MELEE RANGE CONSIDER USING ONE OF YOUR FRIGGIN' CLASS DEFINING ABILITIES WHICH HELP THE RAID/GROUP IMMENSELY. YOU HAVE NO EXCUSE OTHER THAN THAT YOU SUCK AT YOUR CLASS.

...you have a full mana bar and a lot of healers in the raid are running out or are at very low levels SWITCH TO YOUR HEALING WEAPON AND EFFIN START HEALING YOUR GROUP. IF THE WARRIORS START DYING YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF EXPLAINING TO DO. YES I KNOW HOW FUN IT IS TO LOLDPS BUT WHEN THERE ARE NO HEALERS BEYOND YOU LEFT IT'S PRETTY MUCH UP TO YOU OR NOT WHETHER THE GROUP MANAGES TO PULL OUT OF THAT TOUGH SITUATION.

...you use Avenger's Shield when CC pulling. WHAT THE EFF! YOU'RE BREAKING THE SHEEPS AND HIBERNATES. STOP BEING A COMPLETE IDIOT AND REALIZE WHAT THE HELL YOU ARE DOING WRONG.

...you on specific fights are out of mana because you x, y and z. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY POTS (which you should have) GO JUDGE WISDOM ON SOMETHING (which you should have already done) AND ACTIVATE SEAL OF WISDOM AND START POUNDING. DON'T EXPECT AN INNERVATE BECAUSE PALLIES HAVE CRAP FOR SPIRIT SO THEY ARE BETTER RESERVED FOR PRIESTS AND DRUIDS. You have various mana regeneration tools to your disposal that other classes don't.

This one is on a gray-zone so far because I figure most people haven't fully learned to use this ability yet:

...you see that cloth have just got aggro and the mobs are running towards him. USE RIGHTEOUS DEFENSE AND SAVE HIS ASS (if your BoP is on a cooldown or if it's not a mob that specifically does melee damage). YOU HAVE PLATE ARMOR AND DIVINE SHIELD AND LOTS OF OTHER STUFF TO SAVE YOUR OWN LIFE AND YOU ARE A LOT STURDIER THAN THAT PAPER-THIN CLOTH YOU ARE ABOUT TO SAVE. YOUR A TANKING CLASS, LEARN YOUR NEW ROLE.

Sometimes I wonder if we are the hardest class to play. I really do.

27 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did something happen at work today, Mastgrr?

Seriously though. We do get a reputation as being an ezmode class, despite the fact that we're also taunted for, well, you name it. Varies across the board, but still, it's there. So of course we're going to attract people who infuriate the regular paladins by not buying any of the healing spells, because they're not playing 'that kind of paladin', or some other idiotic thing.

And I'm still having trouble with righteous defense. The instinct for me is still to BoP, HoJ, or just to pull aggro like normal if those are on cooldown. Timing it so that it actually taunts correctly is tricky; or perhaps that's just me, more used to the standard taunt on my warrior. Oh well. New utility and all that.

6:41 PM  
Anonymous nonnobis said...

HAHAHA. I did enjoy that. Paladins are easy to learn and fun to master. Not everyone bothers to try the "master" part. We have so many tricks up our sleeves, some forget them if they haven't used those dusty tricks in a while.

Let me add:

...you don't put blessing of light on the tank you are healing.

[Also, on your last one, remind us to pop righteous fury with RD for that extra something to attract naughty mobs.]

7:06 PM  
Anonymous snow said...

Hmm, some of your points are a little general. For instance, I've been training our guild's paladins(I'm the class captain) to NOT heal themselves for the past month or so. The idea has been with spiritual attunement, it's best for us to be healed by others, and then use that mana on healing others in turn. Of course, the #1 rule is do not die. On the other hand, if you are tanking something and you chicken out and hit DS when you shouldn't(though there are times to) you probably just killed someone. Also, as for sheeps and hibernates... Those spells should be performed AFTER avenger's shield... That's the point of the daze, to make it easy to apply crowd control. Sap is the only thing that needs to come first.

7:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

lol. when im OOM though, i like to judge wisdom, then use rank one SotC and use a skinning knife because of its speed and i get all my mana back at such an amazing pace.

7:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love saving a clothies ass with RD but i wont put on RF because as a retnoob im counting on the tank to save my ass with a taunt. and then i can get into a position to heal that guy. So many times ive taken the aggro with RD off a cloth wearer or leather wearer but a tank hasnt taken it off of me and the healers who must not have target of target on (or healers that are incredibly stupid) are healing the dpsing warrior stood next to me rather than me and im left to use concentration aura to heal myself while the healers are happy that the guy they healed stayed at full health.

11:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Merry Critmas!

7:43 AM  
Anonymous Xgelis said...

I use RD in AV 90% of the time, it's very fun to tank with a 2H (I'm kinda promoting it amongst other paladins.)

As for those sigh CAP complaints... i have only 2 words for those who started them:

QQ MORE.

8:07 AM  
Anonymous Xgelis said...

By the way, just to add in, what's with the term "retnoob"? I only see it in a way for paladins spec-ed ret who do not know what's going on around them 99.99% of the time.

8:09 AM  
Blogger Mastgrr said...

xgelis, unfortunately that label is properly applied on a heavy amount of Paladin players.

10:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

well the thing about pallies that's not true for most of the rest of the classes is that we have so many roles we can fill at once. we have utility in tank, healer, and dps roles. maybe it speaks to the weakness of our talent trees, but no matter what the spec, we maintain some of that utility in every role. just having so many divergent options complicates the playstyle of our class.

what complicates it more is that some roles need to be switched to on-the-fly. everyone's been in a situation where a burst of healing saved the day and soon everyone will experience that sudden taunt that prevented a wipe, but i don't think anyone will ever rely on a paladin's dps to save the day.

basically, every paladin has so many roles to fill that it's easy to develop a limited tunnelvision. moreover, it's not the holy or prot pallies that have it the worst with this, it's the retribution pallies with the least in-tree utility that need to switch roles the most. which is probably why it's so easy to be a "retnoob." However, given the nature of the playstyle, i'd suggest withholding the "noob" for the holy or prot pallies who fail in the simpler switching

1:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I use Divine Shield so I can loot corpse in AV. Revered with Exodar, and on my way to Exalted.

2:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sometimes I wonder if we are the hardest class to play. I really do.

I don't know if that's true, but paladins are certainly very easy to play poorly and still "get away" with it, which is probably the source of a lot of the frustration others have with the class.

5:07 AM  
Anonymous Paladin said...

You actually taught me about the Seal/Judge Wisdom mana regen... why I never thought of that is beyond me...

8:59 AM  
Blogger Brian said...

LOL.

Had a bad day at the office?

One thing, though. We've (my guild) has been experimenting with Pally AS pulls. It is best to have the Pally pull with his shield and then use the CC moves.

So far, it's been our observation the Paladin will maintain aggro on the mob through the CC. But, this needs to be coordinated with the other classes or you are correct that the shield will break other CC.

4:36 PM  
Blogger Thoma said...

Can I point out that hitting RD then DS is a great way to make sure the clothie dies? You'll lose aggro and your RD is on cooldown. Perhaps it might be better for the clothie to learn some aggro management?

5:59 PM  
Blogger Lord Vir said...

you are CC'd by a Frost Nova and just stand there

While most of your points are pve based, I got a kick out of this one. When I see a paladin do this in pvp I know they are either clueless or don't care.

It does suck however that sometimes you have to cast cleanse 2-3 times to break frost nova/entangling roots and certain other spells. What is up with that? It doesn't happen all the time, just once in awhile....

6:09 PM  
Anonymous Jade said...

"then use rank one SotC and use a skinning knife because of its speed"

If it doesn't have a durability it can't be used as a weapon, your either talkin out your ass or unknowingly using your unarmed skill (which is also fast)

Also, hitting DS is not an threat wipe, if your the main tank and about to die and hit DS waiting for a heal then right click remove it you get your old threat back, if someone surpassed you in that time you will have to reaquire aggro though.

Not to mention hitting DS then RD still makes the mobs turn to you and try to beat on you for a few seconds while your immune.

As for being the hardest class to master? If not, I'd say were pretty darn close. The main reason is because we have so many roles and knowing when to do them and knowing how to do them all effectively especially since new roles were added in the latest patch. Tanking and viable DPS were added to healing, curing and smart buffing (knowing when to use tactical buffs like sacrifice, protection and freedom and then reapplying a normal buff when finished).

I'll admit the paladin is a pretty forgiving class. I have no doubt someone could level a paladin to 60 with just auto attacks and heals without spending a single talent point fairly easily if they wanted too. And when raiding as long as a paladin keeps his assigned buff up not too many people are going to complain if he is really slacking on the healing, so basically there is a huge array of skills for a paladin to learn to be a good raider.

I don't really know why we got the reputation as an easymode class though. Have any of those people who claim that ever played a hunter? Multiple orange mobs aren't a problem even if all you use is a sting and auto attack. Orange and elite? Just make sure you don't get any adds. Warlocks are almost as bad but at least you need more than 3 buttons to grind for hours.

11:46 PM  
Blogger Thoma said...

DS isn't an aggro wipe. But while it's up you do have just a hair over zero threat. And given that the heal could be up to a second away or the healer you're waiting on is next on the threat list, you just can't count on DS to save your life as a tank.

4:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

go play more druid, or show us some paladin love instead :(

2:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sometimes its actually better not to use Divine Shield and let yourself die in PVP.

Also BOP is better used if timed rather than spammed. If one spams you'll waste it.

5:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great post.

I actually shelved my pally a year ago because I grew tired of other pallies making me look like an idiot.

I would have to make an entire instance run with someone to "proove" to them that I was part of the 5% of pallies that knew what they were doing, then they would take me seriously.

I'm now going back to my pally after all this time because of all the changes. I put ALL 51 points in protection, but I miss my improved Crusader + Judgement. I was 31/0/20 before all this.

I love the new protection tree, just last night I owned a hunter because he was dazed from the Avenger Shield, and I resisted his frost trap (+10 dwarf frost resistance anyone?)

Anyways, great post and I hope this helps others master their Paladin.

6:20 PM  
Blogger Brian said...

1. Just tested DS last night. It's definitely not an aggro wipe. During a DI smelting run, the healadin I was with tried to solo one of the fire elementals and was having a bad time about it, so he DS. I healed him and the mob went after Elderin (the DPSadin), but before the mob made it to Elderin, the shield dropped and the mob returned to the poor healadin.

2. Paladins got the reputation for being "easy mode" from a stupid slide at BlizzCon which indicated that Paladins were the easiest class to play. I'd agree that early on, Paladins are easy to play. They only have one real draw back: the lack of a range weapon. They can melee and heal so they're self-supporting. However, Paladins are hard to master because of their multifaceted roles.

6:58 PM  
Anonymous Ciranon said...

Regarding "hardest class to play", I have 2 60 druids (don't ask), and think perhaps druids might be up there. In pvp, being able to fluidly shift from scout, to cloth-killer, to melee-rooter, to teammate-healer, to unkillable bulldozer is a skill far too few seem able to master, and the very aspect I enjoy.

I'm currently planning on rolling another pally (levelled up a BE to 40 in beta), but am now wondering: is a pally like a druid only weaker in each aspect? Would it be less challenging/interesting? Anyone played both classes in pvp?

6:45 AM  
Blogger Thoma said...

Just tested DS last night. It's definitely not an aggro wipe. During a DI smelting run, the healadin I was with tried to solo one of the fire elementals and was having a bad time about it, so he DS. I healed him and the mob went after Elderin (the DPSadin), but before the mob made it to Elderin, the shield dropped and the mob returned to the poor healadin.

And in a raid situation it's going to go to someone much, much higher on the threat scale and stay there. Healers need to do thier jobs and heal and not just assume who ever has aggro will DS/Last stand/sheild wall because they are too incompentant at thier jobs.

5:22 PM  
Anonymous Bramd said...

this post deserves a trademark slow clapping standing ovation.

8:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Divine Shield is not an aggro wipe. It doesn't touch your threat in any way. What it does is to mark you ineglible as a target, just like Ice Block or being sapped, gouged, feared or conflagrated. If the mob has any other targets in it's hate list, it will go after them for the duration of your shield. Once your shield expires you still have the same amount of threat you had before.

There's two reasons why it might look like an aggro wipe. Firstly, you probably won't do your normal attack routine while bubbled, so your own threat output is reduced (in the case of mages, your threat output goes to zero, because you can't do anything while Iceblocked). That makes it easier for other people to overshoot you in threat. Secondly, once the bubble expires, the mob will stay on his next target, even if you still had more threat. It will only go after you once you do something that generates threat and puts you over the threshold. For example, most melee mobs don't switch targets to a remote target unless they have 30% more threat than the target they are currently in melee with.

9:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, we are the hardest class to play... that's why there are a lot of noobs in world of warcraft playing the paladin class.

12:48 AM  

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