14 September, 2006

Outland Map Up - WTF?

Blizzard has released an interactive map of Outland and the zones contained therein. One's eye is immediately drawn to the image in the upper lefthand corner:

Unless you've been living under a rock for the past few months, you'll recognize that the elf is wearing Redemption armor - our tier 3 raid set. Note also that he is holding an imposing 2H sword (probably the High Warlord's blade). See what's wrong with this picture? He's wearing the only Paladin-specific armor set in the game with 0 strength, and carrying around a 2H sword. The sad thing is, people who have never played the game and are glued to the hype surrounding the expansion will have no clue how rediculous this looks.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yet another sign that Blizzard has no idea how paladins work, or what to do with them.

The class is beyond hopeless.

4:52 AM  
Blogger Mastgrr said...

It might be a caster 2h...just like Finkle's! Hahahaha.

7:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Could just be marketing. "What looks cool?"

9:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The overall put-together design is very matching and cool. Who cares what 0 Strength or what.

10:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree this is, after all, basically an advert for the new shiny expansion, let's not give them too much credit by thinking that they would have sat down and thought about what would grab peoples attention AND would actually make sense for a real character.

3:17 PM  
Blogger Brian said...

It wouldn't matter. Anyone who wants Redemption armor can have it. I wouldn't care if it was DE'd for the nexus crystal.

It is, by far, the most useless set of armor in the game.

First, why is it plate? If you're wearing this set, you certainly are not meleeing at all. Even if you're soloing, you're better off putting up Retribution Aura and just healing yourself until the mob dies.

Second, it only helps one version of the Paladin class. The Healadin. All other Paladins (the Ret-noob, the Tankadin, the Shockadin, DPSadin, the Reckbomber, et cetera) cannot use the armor because it does them no good.

Like I said, I will never use the Redemption armor. I'd rather get the Nexus crystal than that useless POS.

5:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, it is obvious that Blizzard has no idea how paladins work.

You guys are a little delusional, and may I say, a little too sensitive. Relax, I'm sure it was put there for looks only...

5:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First off this site sucks.
Second, your banter about the guy. He's a Blood Elf. Blood Elfs can be Paladins in the Expansion. It's apparent that you missed this little tid-bit from Blizzard. GG.
Go back to your Evercrack and leave this game alone.

6:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Congratulations! You win today's Completely Missing the Point award!

6:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Click in order:
Shadowmoon Valley
Blade’s Edge Mountains
Hellfire Peninsula
Terokkar Forest

And Watch the BE Pally, then you'll know why they put him there.

10:19 PM  
Blogger Mastgrr said...

I agree with those who say that it was just for looks. That they combinate caster armor with a two-hander is a funny coincidence though.

10:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First: the BE is there only to show the dance.
Second: All Melee need a DPS Weapon, even a _Raiding_ Paladin.
Third: Go Delete your Paladins and LEARN TO PLAY, then remake anew.
Last but not least: Go Cry More about Blizz's lack of faith in the paladin and over zealous attitude towards the Shaman.

11:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No raiding paladin needs a DPS weapon.

I have no idea where you came up with this ridiculous belief.

11:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey! Don't Worry about that Teir3 Armor! You'll obviously NEVER get to that level, knowing so little about your paladin and endgame.

11:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I liked it better when only paladins were here.

11:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who let the 10-year olds post?

12:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Mastgrr your websites popular enough to attract trolls now. Grats man on the new promotion. :P

1:48 AM  
Blogger Mastgrr said...


2:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow, to the dude who will *never* use redemtion, I say this "learn to use more than 1 set of armor, and switch it up depending on what you're doing" In raids, pallies heal, so do shadow priests, and feral druids... sometimes they DPS, when the healing is satisfactory, but that's when you switch to your other gear, if you're gimping yourself by wearing DPS gear when you're suppose to be healing, I hope your guild/group has the sense to kick you.

as for the sword thing... yeah it prolly just looks cool... but I suppose the horde will have to get an equivilent to the "Grand Marshal's Demolisher" at some point, perhaps it's a sword instead of a hammer...

2:47 AM  
Anonymous Vaelin said...

I was merely pointing out an amusing bit of irony.

To call Redemption completely worthless is stupid. It will be an incredible healing set - much much better than Lawbringer. I could comment on how much I hate that thus far, hybrids are forced to blow nearly twice the DKP as other pure damage classes to attain optimum effectiveness in different roles. Avenger's armor is one of the better well-rounded sets in the game. I'm really interested to see how the stats on our fourth tier set will turn out. I'm personally hoping for a more tank oriented set - especially considering the only other set in the game that's ideally suited for Paladin tanking (Deathbone) will fast become horribly obsolete in the 60-70 range.

Personally, I like the look of Redemption - particularly on the BE male. It's a great picture that will make that very race-class combo even more appealing to those who have not yet tried WoW but are keeping an intrigued eye on the expansion developments.

Finally, I take great pleasure in noting that I caught the infamous Benediction with his/her pants down on the forums tonight, and reported its fanboi ass for explicit and offensive language of a sexual nature. Hopefully it will get banned from posting for a few days.

8:26 AM  
Blogger Lord Vir said...

Benediction wont get banned, he still gives furor head every night from when they were guilded together.

1:39 PM  
Anonymous TiTAN said...

just check this


Ya'rly, T3 armor, with 2H, illogical, but who decide to put it on website, webdesigner, or gamedesigner ?

i think blizzard just took this example coz this armor is "new" and look "nice" on bloodelf, that's all :)

paladin 60
Burning legion
Hawks Reborn guild

2:04 PM  
Blogger Brian said...

Okay, perhaps I stated my case a little strongly. Nonetheless, I don't see the practical use of Redemption armor unless you're complete Healadin.

The Redemption armor prevents a Paladin from being a hybrid. Duing a battle, a Paladin may have to do several thing. However, because of the extreme limitations of the Redemption Armor, the Paladin becomes completely ineffective in two of the three areas (damage and tanking).

On the other hand, the Judgement Armor will allow a Paladin to do several things. Even the Lawbringer give the Paladin stats to do other things.

Redemption Armor is contrary to the purpose of a hybrid.

5:32 PM  
Anonymous Jakob said...

to brian,

redemption armor would be just as good for tanking as lawbringer, it has 1300 more armor, which is more overall damage reduction than you would prolly get from the 74 str towards shield blocked damage. neither set adds to spell damage which would be most useful for a tank as that's how they get threat. so they're equal for tanking though I would feel safer in redemption, and both sets would suck for keeping agro.

but, as said before having more than 1 set for differant roles is key. If for some reason you end up tanking in place of warrior... the battle is probably lost, and and the only paladin I have ever seen DPS effectivly refuses to wear both lawbringer, and judgement with an exception for a few pieces as placeholders until he gets the gear he's after.

yeah, so personally, I refused to wear anything but random blues for healing in raids until judgement came along strictly because the sets were too broad, I love redemption, is a strict healadin set, I hope in the future they do this for other specs, though I feel they already have with judgement, which would make a perfect tanking set(though it's still better for healing than both lawbringer and my random blues) because of the spell damage. As I said before, if you have to change your role midbattle the fight is most likely lost.

,same anon guy from before.

7:15 PM  
Blogger Thoma said...

There have been a number of times in which I've tanking in MC/BWL/AQ40 in which the battle wasn't lost but a plate wearer was needed. I can assure you that being able to switch roles can save a raid.

And Judgement is a rather bad tanking set. It lacks any +defense and it lacks other forms of damage mitagation other then armor. No +dodge or +parry.

9:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nonetheless, I don't see the practical use of Redemption armor unless you're complete Healadin.

The fact of the matter is that in general, the current endgame puts the paladin in Healadin mode, especially on cutting edge content. As it stands, there is very little reason or purpose for a paladin to be a hybrid as their other abilities (tanking and dps) are so sub-par that it is not optimal for it to be used in a raid.

10:04 PM  
Blogger Mastgrr said...

I see both sides of the issue.

One side is that when you raid in such tough instances, the best idea is always to maximize the minimum - trying to bring out the most potential of the class.

The other side is the all-around side where players find most enjoyment in being able to be flexible with their character and playstyle.

Both aren't wrong.

11:33 PM  
Blogger Thoma said...

Um yeah...cause in Naxx we don't do any DPS...so this weekend I'll make sure to note the absolute lack of DPS we do in Naxx.

12:15 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can someone explain to me why there is this prevailing belief that paladins are damage specialists against undead? Exorcism works out to less than 50 dps on average, being severely limited by its 15 second cooldown. Holy Wrath has a long cast time and an even longer cooldown.

At best, Exorcism makes paladins inferior dpsers on undead as opposed to being almost ineffectual dps on any other kind of mob.

Thoma, how far into Naxx is your guild? On which mobs/bosses do your paladins dps? What percentage of raid dps do they contribute?

1:45 AM  
Blogger Thoma said...

We've taken down the Instructor. And of course Exorism is the only offensive weapon we have in there. I mean conscrate, SoC and the Hand of Rags won't bring anything to the table. And of course Holy Shock and Wraith are useless there. We had two Paladins in the top 10, and most of us were clustered in the top 20.

Anonymous,what class are you?

7:34 AM  
Blogger Kinless said...

My Shammy doesn't need the Tier 3 armor set either. He's no longer a heal-bot for a raiding guild. The Tier 3 sets made anyone who could heal, Shammy, Druid, Pally, Priest, nothing but a healer. (And when I was healing for them I was their best Shammy and generated the most healing output.) But, as ever, if you want to PvP go get some honor together and get the PvP gear. I've got the full set of Earthfury (yawn). I've collected the Bloodstained Hauberk and the Black Brood Pauldrons and even still I'm going for the rank 8 armor stuff now, and the rewards from Frostwolf and the Defilers. And I really miss doing Elemental work and that's a whole other equipment set required. P.S. How many Shamans do you know that are truly excited about dual wielding? We have few means to leverage a weapon. Windfury or Rockbiter. Then an increased miss rate? I'm enhancement now. I'm not sure I see a benefit to being able to dual wield two lesser weapons.

8:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"will have no clue how rediculous this looks"

While true, it it is almost as ridiculous as people who can't spell ridiculous... L2SPELL

7:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks, spelling nazi.


4:26 AM  

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