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After a lot of philosophing, reading various opinionated threads and such I've now decided to withdraw my judgements of the class review and when 1.9 is released next week have a completely open mind about it (again). I know I'm bouncing around on this issue, but I will find it interesting to experience the changes in a PVP and raid environment which I have been unable so far to do. When I've experienced that, I will make my final judgement. I will find it very interesting to see how a full Ret build will work in raids (though I'm not expecting much).
I just wanted to say that I admire those who've taken considerable steps and practices to retire their characters (such as L'Emmerdeur). It's a tough decision. Really, sticking with the Paladin is much like a vicious circle because you say to yourself, "this was my first character" and "I really want to play the Paladin". It makes it even harder to pass away from the class when you reflect on all the time invested and such. I mean, for example grinding reputation is time consuming and isn't exactly done over night.
To those you've taken the steps to retire, good for you. To those who like me are a bit more afraid of change will have to really wait for the patch to come to draw our last judgement.
I just wanted to say that I admire those who've taken considerable steps and practices to retire their characters (such as L'Emmerdeur). It's a tough decision. Really, sticking with the Paladin is much like a vicious circle because you say to yourself, "this was my first character" and "I really want to play the Paladin". It makes it even harder to pass away from the class when you reflect on all the time invested and such. I mean, for example grinding reputation is time consuming and isn't exactly done over night.
To those you've taken the steps to retire, good for you. To those who like me are a bit more afraid of change will have to really wait for the patch to come to draw our last judgement.
posted by Mastgrr at 12:25:00 PM
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It may be that I am the coward in this affair.
Your sentiments are mine exactly. My paladin was my first character and I have an attachment to him. I want to play a paladin and was extremely excited about this patch. After my initial disappointment with the lack of most of the things I was hoping for and clinging to hope that more innovative, smart changes were coming, I decided to dedicate myself to leveling my mage to 60. Being away from my paladin for a while now, I've decided to give the changes a good look when the patch goes live.
Hopefully now that I've separated myself from the situation a bit, I'll be able to appreciate what we got and not focus on what we didn't. Open mind is the key. If I'm still disappointed... well I'm not quite to 60 with my mage yet.
I am keeping my Paladin, though I will be playing my Warrior a lot more.
Two points to be made about the Paladin situation.
1. The changes to the Paladin class are not a nerf or improvement. It, for the most part, leaves the Paladin in a similar situation as it was before. You are still left with a plate wearing healer with some melee abilities. The changes did not address the percieved problems of the class (I say "percieved" because, apparently, the developers did not see these as problems, but as game design). The changes will force Paladins to change their game play, but did not address the desires of the Paladin community.
2. Paladins are viable fighters against undead and demons. This will allow some Paladins to continue their quest to become an effective fighting force in WPL, EPL, and, hopefully, the Outlands. I fully expect to see Paladins running in packs in Naxxramas when it comes out.
Most of the Paladin community outrage is directed at false stories being put out by Blizzard. For example, the idea that the Paladin heals were given less threat so they can become better healers. This is patently untrue. The threat generated by a Paladin's heals was lowered to prevent them from tanking by healing.
Or all class roles change in major raids. I have never witnessed a Priest becoming a DPS machine or a Rogue being a tank in MC. Paladins are really the only class who's major role changes in the end game raids.
The paladin was never going to do dps, maybe against demons and undead (although I'm not convinced of that, my experience on the test realm showed an insane amount of mana being spent when you throw in excorcism's, if your not going to judge wisdom you will run out of mana) but we aren't meant to dps in general. That leaves tanking and healing. Are we good enough at those to make up for not doing dps?
I tend to see it in terms of where we stand versus other classes. The only two other tank classes are Warriors and Druids. Druid should be middle of the road since they can do all three but I see them as far better tanks than paladins.
As for healing, your competing with priests, druids and shaman. Only the shaman has the mana problems while healing a paladin does and none have the mana inefficiancy of paladin heals.
Basically if you don't want to be a buff/cleansebot in the endgame, pick another class.
Warriors tank better and do better dps. Priests heal better and do better dps. And Druids do everything that you can do better than you can except cleanse.
I think i'm just going to go with it and adapt, i'm a ret/holy pally, so apparently this patch won't effect me very much. but i do sympothise (sp?) with those of you who were expecting this patch to make us more useful in all three fields (like a druid) my personal opnion on it is that the druid should be the weakest of the three tankers, since they can't wear plate and don't have access to the same "tanking" plate stat bonuses that we do. but thats neither here nor there. all in all what i wanted to get out of this post is that i understand where everyone's frustration is coming from. as i'm sure all pally's (at least the ones who had a "different" outlook on where the class would be in endgame when the hit that Create button.
On a completely different note, I just got a post removed from the Paladin forums. Here was the text:
I know everyone (or most everyone) is frustrated with the so-called Paladin revamp.
It is clearly a whitewash.
But, at this point, why bother? We heard Blizzard.
They don't care.
They don't care about the Paladin class in the least bit. It is not relevant to them that the Paladin class is about as useful as a walking totem and just as fun.
They don't care that the class doesn't meet any of their descriptions. They don't care that they have said one thing about the class and have implemented another. They don't care that the talent trees make less sense now than before.
They simply don't care.
They have "better" things to do than "waste" their time with a single class.
All those "new" and "exciting" instances.
And if the Paladin class goes away? They still won't care.
It's sad, but true.
Because if they did care, they would fix the class.
It was immediately removed. :(
im gonna post that again lol and what happens if we dont like the changes *shiver*
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